I just Googled "Militia forum" and came up with THIS crazy site.
Read the posts in their "verifiable news and intelligence" area. When not spouting racist, anti-government conspiracy theories, they're really sitting there, scaring each other with tales of military helicopters flying over their houses and mysterious army trucks driving past. Ooooohhhh!
Of course they also puff on about how they're carrying their guns with them ready for action, in their own houses, 24/7--not because they fear a burglar but because they want to shoot the police. Now of course we all know that most of them will do just like the other ones I've written about over the last few days and dive under their beds the moment a police car pulls into their yard to investigate a "dog off the leash" complaint, but hey--they've got to talk their smack to each other, at least until they have to re-join reality and report to work at Wal-Mart or Burger King.
These guys'd be a riot if they weren't armed and itching to shoot some law enforcement officer in the back.
Here's another bunch. They claim that they aren't anti-government but they can't tell you who else other than our government that they're planning to fight against.
You know, it might serve you well to join those websites that you mcok and make sure of your information. The "information" that you posted was not even remotely accurate. Why not join the site and ask questions and see if they really are the nuts you claim them to be. That is, if you actually care about writing factual and truthful information on your blog.
ReplyDeleteBrian,
ReplyDeleteI looked the site over, and saw the same stuff that I've seen on all the other militia sites. But to be fair, if you will answer the following questions, I'll give your site a thorough looking-over and retract any erroneous statements.
1. Who are you guys planning on fighting against?
2. Who calls you out and sends you into battle? Who decides when it's time for you guys to take up arms?
3. Assuming that you plan on shooting police officers, politicians and other government officials, doesn't that make YOU GUYS the enemies of America?
4. If you guys want to be soldiers so bad, why aren't you serving in the real military? With two wars going on and you guys wanting to fight, it would seem to be a good match.
I apologise in advance, as I can be a little long winded.
ReplyDelete1. We have no plans to fight anybody nor do we want to. We train to live self sufficiently and to defend our families from those who would do them harm. Now, we also believe that the principles that our country were founded upon have been perverted and that many of our so-called leaders today are dropping the ball. They pass horrible laws that do nothign but take away our rights and freedoms. A fine example would be the "Patriot Act." We also believe that the true definition of the 2nd Amendment is that there should be a group of citizen-soldiers who would be ready and able to stand up to tyranny. We feel that we are not far away from seeing a similar level of tyranny in our government today. But, we absolutely do not have ANY desire to go to war. We simply wish to have our country return to the principals of small government that this country was founded upon.
2. By law, we can be called out by the governor of our respective states, if he chooses to do so. We also have an elected state commander who can issue orders to call us out if the governor chooses not to do so. Lastly, we are all volunteers and we can choose to act by ourselves if we see somethign happening that we know is wrong. In all these cases there has to be overwhelming justification and all other means of fixing the situation must be tried.
3. That is a false assumption. See my statements in question 1. We do believe that those people you mention are, by law, employees of the citizenry and they are, and should be, accountable for their actions. We pay taxes (begrudgingly) and as such, and public official or public servant who get paid with our taxes are accountable. By not holding them accountable we have seen horrendus results and ridiculous laws passed.
4. A large number of our members are former military and most, if not all, the leaders have served at one time or another for the US military. Many of them served in a combat role. I cna not speak fro each and every one, but I do know some are not happy with the where this country is headed and they refuse to fight in a war that is being fought for oil profits and to supposedly fight terrorism and stop the terrorists "over there before they can come here" when our "leaders" won't do anything about our wide open borders and the terrorists already here. There are thigns that need to be fixed here and now that are more important to Americans rather than playing "Team America World Police" in the sandbox.
Please, join up with the AWRM.org site or the mississippiminuteman.com site and ask these same questions. I'm a member of both sites and have been for some time. I know there are a lot of good people on there who believe in liberty and want to set this country on a better path. Ask questions and you may get some answers that you weren't prepared for. A lot of the time folks are misguided about the militia becasue of the propaganda put out by the media and the government to discredit us.
I hope these answers were sufficient. If you need clarification, I"ll try to do my best to answer.
1. Who are you guys planning on fighting against? [b] we do not plan to attack/fight against anyone, we defend ourselves and our families.[/b]
ReplyDelete2. Who calls you out and sends you into battle? [b] no one.[/b]Who decides when it's time for you guys to take up arms?[b] when the criminals brake into our homes to do harm to me and mine.[/b]
3. Assuming that you plan on shooting police officers, politicians and other government officials, doesn't that make YOU GUYS the enemies of America?[b] we are not anti-government, we are anti corrupt people within our government, but that's not going to have us MURDER anyone.
We are law-bidding citizen of america and have the right to defend ourselves and that web-site has never said they were going to murder anyone.
I'd like to know where on those web-site who claims to murder anyone. You sir are a lier![/b]
4. If you guys want to be soldiers so bad, why aren't you serving in the real military? With two wars going on and you guys wanting to fight, it would seem to be a good match. [b]I am in the Florida national Guard and I've just came back at the end of last year from Iraq. I've been in the Florida guard since 1999 and I've been in the Militia's since 1995.[/b]
[b]so, I guess this put's holes in every word you have typed here. You type what you do not know, so just go away.[/b]
IRONCLAD
BY-THE-WAY,
ReplyDeleteHow in the world can I be anti government when I am one or work for them. I guess you can say, I'm anti-myself..LOL Sir, please read what's on the sites before you overload your mouth with lies.
Sheesh,
IRONCLAD
I see you got your answers. I would like to post some food for thought to you.
ReplyDeleteAre law enforcers obligated to protect you and your families at their own peril?
What is the difference between Militia and Militant?
Is it the governments responsibility to provide for your care and feeding?
Since restricting firearm ownership over three decades ago have criminals quit using firearms?
Since beginning the war on drugs has drug use declined or been eliminated?
That should get you started in the correct direction.
OK, Brian, thanks for the answer, but I have to go a bit deeper on a couple of these because it seems as if there's a gap between what you're saying--which sounds nice, BTW--and what I actually see on militia websites.
ReplyDeleteFirst, if you're not looking to fight anyone, why the obsession first and foremost with weapons? Why not just be a community support group and pick up litter, or learn first-aid and volunteer with the Red Cross? That would probably do a lot more for your image than standing around in camouflage with guns talking about fighting the "JBT'S", or Jack-Booted Thugs--the militia label for government law enforcement officers.
Second, saying that the Governor can call you out is a bit disingenuous, don't you think? We all know that it's never going to happen. Why would any Governor ever call up a bunch of guys with no formal training or liability coverage when a Governor has a State Guard, a State Police Force, mutual-aid pacts between counties, and an ability to request federal troops and other personnel in any emergency? Our government have evolved and matured since 1776 when there were actual community militia groups that served as a first line of defense for some settlements. We're not there any more. What could you guys possibly offer a state today that would tempt a Governor to actually summon you guys instead of some of all of the above-mentioned professional forces? What place does a militia group that's not part of any government chain of command serve? Can you give me a scenario?
And "Ironclad"--you mention fighting "corrupt" people in government. So who decides who is and is not corrupt? Do you guys have a Star Chamber or something? And correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't that why we have courts and a legal system? Is there a point when you just say "screw the courts" and start doing drive-by's on the homes of elected officials and police officers?
And one more, in response to Ironclad's statement that you take up arms for when criminals break into your homes...are we talking the neighborhood burglar? If that's the case, then you shouldn't need anything more than a pistol or maybe a shotgun, right? I mean what does it take to run off a prowler? Or do you attach a different meaning to the word "criminal"? Don't a lot of you guys use that as a code-word for police officers executing a lawfully-signed warrant? Because that's where I have a problem with the idea. Our Constitution doesn't say anything about people having the right to shoot officers of the government but that's what I hear from so many militia types. Help me out here.
avdrtrecruiter, thanks for the questions. However they seem to be more rhetorical questions than anything else. Are you saying that militia groups are the answer to all these things?
ReplyDeleteAnd that one reference you make to the "war on drugs"...you're not asserting that we should stop prosecuting drug offenses,legalize drugs, and just let everyone get high, are you? It hasn't escaped my notice that many of these militia people are also growing marijuana when busted, and that's quite troubling to me.
Me,
ReplyDeleteThis is Brian. Having trouble signing in. Let’s see if I can clarify some things for you.
First, what some see as an obsession with guns is our belief in our right to keep and bear arms. This goes back to what I was said before about our firm belief that the 2nd Amendment says what it says and is not open to debate or abridgement. The phrase “shall not be infringed” comes into play here. Now, couple that belief with the additional belief that the 2nd Amendment is our last line of defense against tyranny and oppression by the powers that be. This goes back to history and we firmly believe that we are following in the footsteps of the original minutemen of 1776. We think this is necessary because of the steps that the Federal gooberment have taken to erode our rights and freedoms and our belief that our rights are worth fighting for. The framers of our Constitution had just fought a terrible war for freedom because of tyranny and oppression. The term back then was “taxation without representation” and we see a lot of that today. We are taxed unfairly and illegally, as there is no legal requirement for American citizens to pay an income tax. The heavy-handed actions by the gooberment, the refusal to be forthcoming with American taxpayers, the lies by our leaders, and the outright erosion of our liberties in the name of national security (i.e. the Patriot Act) are a major beef. We believe that it is the duty of each and every American citizen to question our elected representatives and ensure they are acting in OUR best interests and not theirs. The fixation with firearms is because it puts us on an equal playing field with the government. I’m sure you’ve seen the military-style assaults on citizens and we do not feel that it is righteous for us to fear our government and police. Why would police shoot an elderly woman to death if they really cared about protecting and serving? I’m not certain if that totally answered your question, but it gives a little background on why we train with weapons.
To address your next point, why even exist if we have no hope of being called out. According to the US Code, which I hope you’re familiar with, in Title 10 Section 311 details what exactly is the militia. You can do a search for “US Code” and find the exact definition. To summarize, there are 2 militias in the US, the organized and unorganized. The code specifies that the organized militia is those folks in the National Guard, and the unorganized is everybody else. We take that duty to heart. Will we get called out, probably not. But we train and prepare in the event that we are. We also train in case we ever have to draw the line and stand up to tyranny like our forefathers did in ’76. You say that our country has evolved. While yes we have evolved, we have also grown and moved away from the principals of freedom that this country was founded upon and that is the cause for the problems that we have today. We also act in a community service role. Many members are also participants of local Sheriff’s reserve forces, volunteer firefighters, and paramedics. Ironclad is an active duty member of the National Guard. We volunteer and believe in serving our community. As an example, in the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina, members of the Mississippi Militia’s northern division volunteered to help out with the state and were denied. They took it upon themselves to gather food, water, and medical supplies from their own homes and local donations, used their vehicles and fuel to convoy in the stricken areas of south Mississippi to help out. They gave out generously to local churches. Locally, members of the southern division did what they could in their own areas such as cutting trees off roads, distributing food and water, etc. So you see, when the government fails to act responsibly, the militia picked up the slack and received no credit. Unknowingly, men of the unorganized militia in Louisiana formed together to protect their neighborhoods in New Orleans. There were even pictures passing around the internet. Sheriff Harry Lee of the Jefferson Parish Sheriff’s Office unknowingly called out the militia when he asked for all males in the parish to be deputized to protect the parish. So, you see, there are numerous times when the militia has pitched in and helped out. Now, ask yourself why this doesn’t get reported by the mainstream media? Because they have an agenda to push and will only report the negative publicity. There is a reason you only see the morons, who are not recognized militia units and do not accept or employ the National Militia Standards (yes we do have training standards which you can find and read on AWRM.org) It’s because they want to discredit us and make us look like the racist buffoons that you think we are. They don’t want us to get more people and grow stronger with our message of liberty and independence from big government. I was once just like you. I thought those militia guys were a bunch of inbred idiots who liked playing GI Joe in the woods. I took it upon myself to look into it further and find out the truth. At first I still thought that some of these folks had their tinfoil hats on too tight, but after lurking and reading for a while, I found out that a lot of what they had to say had a lot of merit and truth. You seem to be a logical and intelligent guy who can think for himself. Visit those sites and read things objectively, with an open mind. I’ll bet you a beer that you’ll learn a thing or 2.
To answer you question to Ironclad, who decides who is corrupt? Well we all do. When a politician is on the take, when they vote for things that are blatantly un-Constitutional, when they sell us out to foreign countries for a kickback and for their one-world Socialistic principals, they are corrupt and treasonous. Yes we have a legal system. No, it does not work. Criminals go free and honest people are prosecuted. Case in point, someone breaks into your home and you shoot that person dead for fear of you and your family’s lives. You get prosecuted in some areas for that action and that is totally unnatural and un-American. The people who pass those laws should be held accountable, as should those who enforce them and those who don’t do anything about them. See, the problem with police officers is that they are misguided I think. Officers swear an oath with their hand on a Bible. That means it’s a promise before God. They swear to uphold the US Constitution and the Constitution of that state against enemies foreign and domestic. They don’t swear to blindly enforce laws that go against that Constitution. And many of the warrants that you refer to today are not signed by a judge. If they are signed, they are often blank and the officers fill them in later once they find what they are looking for. That is neither proper nor legal. Ironclad can better explain the oath and such that as he’s current National Guard and has a unique perspective.
Anyway I hope this long diatribe is at least marginally helpful. Again, I strongly encourage you to visit those sites again and read. Look and forget, fro a moment, your preconceived notions and think objectively.
-Brian-
Another thought just hit me. In your original blog post, you said that we like to "talk smack to each other, at lesat until we have to report to work at Burger King or Wal Mart."
ReplyDeleteThis is another common misconception that many have. The misconception that members of the unorganized militia are poor, uneducated, and backwards rednecks. While some of us are in fact blue collar workers, adn many of us, including myself, wear the title of "redneck" proudly, we are by no means dumb, uneducated, or ignorant.
I have a college degree in engineering and work in the engineering department for a large steel fabrication plant as an estimator. I also own my own development company and I do well enough to support my family. We have other folks in law enforcement, fire fighters, doctors, lawyers, engineers, and a host of other trades and professions.
Point being, don't assume that we are uneducated and poor becasue tht would be a grave underestimation.
-Brian-
Me...you do know how to make a person laugh.
ReplyDeleteBrian- Thanks for the defence in this matter. Very true.
ME - I never said to fight the government people, you sir are putting words in my mouth. You can't even get right what's even in your own blog just above this post from my comments above.
Another thing - Why do I need a rifle instead of a pistol to defend my home? It's my right and the funny thing is, you can even own one as well. The 2nd. amendment is a remind what the government can't touch.
I use a pistol to defend my home, it only makes sense. But a rifle, it's to defend my land from my enemies from another country or an animal who wants to hurt me and mine and animals when I need food.
But, no matter what anyone of us say about defending ourselves with what ever, you just can't get it... you'll bring up more question of nonsense and continue the attacks on us instead of learning the truth.
Look above you sir, see it floating above you, it's a clue about life and the truth about the Militia' and the truth about the right of the 2nd. amendment....grab it, you'll need it when the time come to live.
IRONCLAD
Brian,
ReplyDeleteI don’t have a problem with gun ownership—Heck, I’ve got several dozen myself, including machine guns. The problem I have is that you guys seem to center around your guns as the primary reason for existing, and I can’t think of a situation where a local, state or federal unit of government is going to call up an armed group and assign them duties that involve them using their firearms. On the other side of the coin, when I do read militia websites like that awrm site, much of what I see is either planning/hoping for the day when law enforcement officers of the United States government show up, or chest-puffing tales about times when posters have had dealings with the police, most of which quite frankly paint a rather unflattering picture of the posters. I don’t see militia groups talking about the day when they’re going to go to Iraq or Afghanistan, or planning to repel an invasion by Canada—all I see them doing is preparing to fight the U.S. Government, and that bothers me. Your statement that you have guns to put you on an “equal footing” with the government only reinforces that. Patriotic Americans don't oppose or threaten the elected government with guns.
Now to be fair, some of your ideas might have been great in 1776, but this isn’t 1776 any more and our country isn’t like it was back then. What’s more, the visionaries that wrote the Constitution didn’t intend for it to always remain just as it was—they anticipated that future generations might want to change things and they built mechanisms into the Constitution to allow us to amend it. If we were going to hold true to 1776 standards, women would not be voting today, nor would any white male who did not own real property. Most blacks would still have no status at all, and Bill Clinton would probably still be President since in 1776 there was no limit set on how many terms a President could serve. Granted there also would not be an income tax, but the 16th Amendment WAS passed and ratified and taxation of incomes IS legal now, carrying with it the lawful duty to pay taxes despite the claims of many in the militia movement to the contrary. And I gotta tell you, Brian, when you guys start talking about the government being illegal or corrupt, all I see is a bunch of guys upset because they aren’t getting their way. Our founding fathers set up a system of courts to determine what is and is not constitutional and nowhere in the Constitution did they recognize the ability of individuals to decide that things aren’t constitutional—that job falls to the courts exclusively. But when I read websites like awrm, I see people posting about how voting is useless and the courts are corrupt, and all they seem to want to do is take their guns and go shoot the people that the rest of us elected to run the country as our representatives.
I’m curious about another thing you said though. When you said that the media doesn’t report on good things that you guys do, you then said that “they” have an agenda which includes discrediting you. Who are “they” specifically, and why would they want to do this? It seems like every time you guys want to do something, you use a hidden conspiracy as the basis—you exist and draw power from your claims that politicians are corrupt and violating the Constitution, yet I rarely see charges brought in court or convictions handed down for this. Of course you say that it proves that the courts are corrupt too… come on—is there any part of government that works right, and can you document any actual corruption that’s gone unpunished?
Finally, you claim that you have doctors, lawyers, police officers, etc. in your militia. I would honestly love to meet one, because in my younger days I worked in a legislator’s office and back when militias were in vogue, many militia members came to our office or our public events and I’m not aware of one of them who was a degreed professional. They were pretty much farmers, blue-collar workers, low-level office workers, or unemployed. Most seemed to have a weight problem and they seemed to enjoy festooning themselves with pins and medals that didn’t make any sense. For example, Airborne pins were quite common. I was not aware of the existence of a militia air force, so what was that about? UDT and SEAL tabs were worn--often by people who looked like they got winded on escalators--and “sniper” pins or patches were everywhere. It was enough to make a horse laugh and it solidified my impression of them as nothing more than Walter Mitty pretenders. How has that changed?
I believe what you're missing, with te militia members that you met before, is that they were probably former military, veterans if you will. Most vets are damn proud of their service and the ones that I associate with are of the opinion that they didn't serve, fight, and bleed for the America we currently live in and they want to see a change back to the small goverment that we should live under. If you were to go thos any of the militia sites, you could easily talk to folks from your area. Hell tell them that you think they're full of shit and want to actually talk to them in person to see if they are as dumb as you think they are. It's not hard if you really wanted to make it happen.
ReplyDeleteRegarding your claims that the 16th Amendment allows taxation of personal income. This Amendment was ratified on Christmas Eve when most legislators were gone home fro the holidays. That itself is questionable. Then the Surpreme Court ruled that the 16th Amendment granted no new powers of taxation. If you look in the Dept. of Tresury's rul book under what is taxable and untaxable income, while it's vague, you will not find anything that makes personal income taxable. There is a fascinating documentary called "America: Freedom to Fascism" by Aaron Russo. This is th guy from tv's "Trading Spaces" and other shows. Anyway it's on Google Video and you can watch it for free. I encourage you to do so, as Aaron debunks your ideas about taxation.
Next, yes our Constitution is changable. BUt there are certain unalienable rights that we have. That is not changable. When an Amendment says "shall not be infringed" that means you can not lawfully limit the rights granted by that amendment.
But I feel you're missing the point. See, we're not doing all this to fight the government. As I said earlier, we do not have the least bit desire to do so. We want simply to be left alone. We want the government to butt out of everyone's lives and quit trying to legislate and control us into slavery. You know as well as I do that you can't hardly take a dump today without some government control on it. We are adamantly opposed to the North American Union and our involvement in the UN as both organizations are blatantly un-American. There are numerous militiamen that are actively patrolling the border with Mexico and they have had success in their areas of operation.
Which brings me to the next point. In regards to the media conspiracy, well it's not really a conspiracy at all. News is a business. These news stations all compete against each other to report what Americans want to hear the soonest. many times that results in false information. Many reporters know absolutely squat about firearms and would call a semi-auto Remington hunting rifle an "assault weapon" without blinking an eye. So you have the case where ignorant people report news that they are not qualified to report on. They (the media) are also biased. Hell you can't begin to tell me that you don't think the media is biased and generally that bias is towards the liberal left. So, that means they only promote pro-liberal view points. We all know that the liberals are closet Socialists. They push welfare, government handouts for everyone instead of personal responsibility, and draconian gun control measures. The liberals HATE guns so deeply and are so afraid of them as if they're magic that it's almost humorous. Liberals are always pushign for bigger and bigger government. Now, we in the militia movement push for just the opposite. We want small government, less stringent gun control, and a more Libertarian or Constitutionalist society. We hate teh idea of being dependent on anyone, especially a bureaucratic government, for our health, safety, and well being. Our message is a powerful one that many Americans would probably agree with. The liberals can't have that kind of power base so they do everything they can to paint us as just exactly what you see us as.
Regarding teh corruption of the government. You can't tell me you think the folks in DC are honest, upright guys and gals who are there to do what's right. They cave in and vote any way the special interest groups want. The lobbyists bribe them with fishing trips, dinners, and God only knows what else. So they pass laws which are totall illogical and unproductive but it's what the special interests groups want. The special interest groups didn't elect them though. We did. Politicians are constantly worried about getting reelected and not stepping on anyone's toes. This is where we get the offensive mindset of being "politically correct." They are worried abotu covering their own butts regardless of the impact to the citizenry. If you watch the video that I spoke of above, you will see that judges have said, in court, that the rulings of the Supreme Court are "irrelevant." Those types of instances, which happen often, leave us with little redress for our grievances. When your legislators won't listen to you because you're not putting enough money n their pockets and the courts have said that they won't abide by the rulings of higher courts, what can you expect us to do but be pissed? Voting doesn't work because, as we see it, politicains are all the same, regardless of the party they belong to. If you vote one politician out, another will thake his place and be corrupted by the system in short order.
Hope that helps. Again, I strongly encourage you to pase these questions and concerns on AWRM or on our site at Mississippi Minuteman. I'm a poster on both and I'm a moderator on the MS site. I go by the handle of "LA Confederate" (used to live in Loo-z-ana but that's a different story for another day.) Join up. You'll likely get a lot more and a lot better information from other people adn you can hear what more than one person has to contribute.
-Brian-
avdrtrecruiter said...
ReplyDeleteI see you got your answers. I would like to post some food for thought to you.
Are law enforcers obligated to protect you and your families at their own peril?
What is the difference between Militia and Militant?
Is it the governments responsibility to provide for your care and feeding?
Since restricting firearm ownership over three decades ago have criminals quit using firearms?
Since beginning the war on drugs has drug use declined or been eliminated?
That should get you started in the correct direction.
8:49 AM
Hi there..., I encountered this link while doing a search of a user name...I am disturbed by your position.
I have been in the Security industry for over a decade. I have worked at both government and private facilities and continue to work with the government on occasion here within the CONUS.
I happened to notice that avdrtrecruiter did not reply to your post and maybe I can. Here is your response....
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avdrtrecruiter, thanks for the questions. However they seem to be more rhetorical questions than anything else. Are you saying that militia groups are the answer to all these things?
And that one reference you make to the "war on drugs"...you're not asserting that we should stop prosecuting drug offenses,legalize drugs, and just let everyone get high, are you? It hasn't escaped my notice that many of these militia people are also growing marijuana when busted, and that's quite troubling to me.
9:08 AM
Lets start at the top. Law enforcers and security personell are not required to endanger themselves to protect anyone. That is a United States Supreme Court decision, look it up.
The difference between Militia and Militant is subtle but not enough to lump them together. By definition in US Code the Militia is a group of citizens armed and ready. It states who can call out the militia from the government side of things. It does nothing to limit the militia from acting on their own.
A militant is someone that has a cause and is willing to fight for it.
Militants make up the members of a militia. Not all militias have militants in them.
The government is not required to take care of you and feed you. That is your job. Militia's all over this nation make every effort to teach others how to care for themselves. Some teach medical techniques, Logistics, Food production, Communications, Navigation, and of course Security just to mention a few.
Sometimes you have to fight fire with fire. Crime is a human description for undesireable behavior. It has been taken advantage of by government officials. An oil well fire is one of the most hot and potentially dangerous fires. It has to be put out in stages. First the flames have to be put out. A crane is brought in and a specialist determines how much explosive is needed. The explosives are detonated near the middle of the fire. The explosion consumes all the oxygen around the fire and so all that is left is to plug the well.
The same is true of crime. When there is no opposition to it crime will continue to rise. If you have a firearm and don't know how to properly use it why have it? You claim to have dozens and even machine guns. I say why have them if you don't plan on using them for something.
The governments war on drugs has done nothing to stop the flow of drugs through this nation. Why make a law or set of laws that you know you can never enforce and win. By declaring a war on anything it gives the military and law enforcers reason to gain in number and equipment, a standing army if you will. The problem is that they are not needed except to defend this country from foreign invaders. Remember it is the responsibility of the citizens of a nation to take care of themselves.
Actually what a great many people have noticed is the same thing you have noticed. The news only talks about the militia's that are caught with exotic plants in their gardens or some chemistry lab in a shed. That is their decision but it does not accurately reflect the truth.
The truth is that after Katrina there were 10 militia groups that responded along the coastal areas that were affected. The truth is that the response by one of these groups was so overwhelming their food supplies had to be distributed to 5 seperate agencies.
People have the right to poison themselves, not wear seatbelts, travel at speeds that they are comfortable with.
If a law cannot be enforced 100% of the time or requires the enforcer to use an sct of deception to catch an offender it is Unconstitutional.
Oh yes.., I have a Bachelors in Criminal Justice with a minor in Constitutional Law. My wife has a Masters in Criminal Justice with a minor in Interview and Interrogation.
I am the communications officer with my areas militia. I have three assistants and one of them is a circuit judge. I take my duties very seriously and suggest that you leave your lai'se' fair'e research methods and wanna be confrontational comments at the door.
Your comment about rhetorical questions is evidence that you have neither the interest or desire to stick your neck out to find the truth. You are a troublemaker nothing more.
And the previous poster says:
ReplyDelete"People have the right to poison themselves, not wear seatbelts, travel at speeds that they are comfortable with.
If a law cannot be enforced 100% of the time or requires the enforcer to use an sct of deception to catch an offender it is Unconstitutional."
Well that's not true. You don't have the right to do as you please on the public roads. You agree to wear seat belts and obey the speed limit as a condition of using them. But if you want to drive 100mph without a seat belt on your own land, THAT is your right.
And I'd love to know the legal basis for your opinion that laws that cannot be 100% enforced or require law enforcement to use deception to catch some of the violators is unconstitutional. I certainly haven't seen any such language in our Constitution. Maybe the militia version has a few extra amendments?
My legal basics for my statement earlier about not enforcing laws 100% of the time is my education(Criminal Justice...over 200 hours of credit) my employment (10 years working with law enforcers, lawyers, security personnell, and private investigators), and lastly, my observation of what is going on around me.
ReplyDeleteLagniappe there are not enough police employed in the United States of America to enforce the traffic laws on the highways 100% of the time. Look around with your eyes open while driving the speed limit. Everyone that drives by you is breaking the law. That is only one section of the law, we haven't gotten into criminal, civil, or business law.
It IS MY assertion that if a person wants to poison themselves let them do it. It is their body. The only reason that the government in the United States of America deems these drugs as undesireable is that they have no way of tracking them for tax purposes.
If someone prefers to drive without a seatbelt then they should not be legally obligated to do so. Having said that, they also should not be allowed to seek compensation for not doing so.
My last point is this...By using deception to seek out those who violate laws it undermines the credibility of those enforcing the laws. A law enforcer should not have to violate any of their personal beliefs however based they are in order to do their job. Honesty and Integrity along with Professionalism are needed everywhere ESPECIALLY in Law Enforcement. By telling a law enforcer to deceive people concerning their name, profession, and/or lifestyle has been scientifically linked to the high alcoholism, drug use, suicide, and a very long list of health related issues physically.
Lagniappe,
You will not change your views I do understand that. Your defense and counter-attack concerning my comments reveals to me that you feel VERY STRONGLY that you are threatened by others that insist in their right to live how they want to live as long as it does not interfere with how others wish to live. I find it incredible that you have so many firearms and you are not the slightest bit concerned that some legalislator wants to relieve you of them. It indicates that you are being deceptive about something.
Based on your previous statements you would have an estimated 200k American Federal Reserve Notes in firearms alone. That is assuming you have the cheap stuff. That is also not including the ammunition needed for such weapons. This amount is often equal to or twice the amount of the weapon itself.
Your naievity will catch up with you eventually.
I agree that most militia's like the Free Militia of Alabama, are engaged in some form of illegal activity. However if you look at what they are doing it does not interferre with the rights of others and how they want to live. I personnally find it repulsive that they enjoy their exotic gardens so much that they would risk everything they have for them. I will NOT however condemn them for that decision. I simply do what I have done. I don't associate with them, and I make my position known up front.
I have never claimed to be someone I am not and forsee no excuse for misleading anyone as to who I am and what I believe in.
The above diatribe is in response to your characterization of the militia. Since the beginning you have sought answers to who these people are and make them look like wild eyed radicals. It is admitted that some of these folks make bad decisions. We all do on some level. With the exception of the firearm issue the media will not report on the major decisions people make that have far more impact on their lives than defending their decision to keep and bear arms.
I hope you manage to keep your firearms that you have spent so much time gathering, and the ammunition as well. However I realize that only you will make the decision when you are faced with the question of turning them in or not.
Oh yes, I believe your refference to machine guns makes you a target for audit. If they each don't have stamps in your name then you are a criminal if you are in the territory of the United States of America.
You have a good day :) ;)
You know whats funny...The most interesting thing happened to me on the 20th of August 2008. I found Laginappes Lair!!! A big sign about 100 yards down the street said "Florida Department Public Safety District Headquarters"!!!
ReplyDeleteThat would explain why you have so many automatic weapons! You are the armorer for the Florida State Troopers or the Evidence Custodian for same.
You see that is the problem with unusual names on the internet.
Don't quit your day job, Columbo.
ReplyDeleteThe site makes it pretty clear that I'm up in Harpers Ferry, WV. That'd be a little far to commute.
And I have so many nice firearms because I worked really hard and went to school and landed a really high-paying job that allows me to afford them. Just another reminder as to why you should stay in school, kids!