Saturday, April 26, 2008

People who need to shut the hell up #5--Ammo freeloaders criticize CMP

That's right. The Civilian Marksmanship Program, which exists to promote the shooting sports, is now being bashed for raising the prices of the ammunition that it's selling and for putting limits of ten cases per year on that ammo.

Now the CMP makes ammunition and rifles available to rifle clubs and competitive shooters, and has done so for nearly a century, either in it's current incarnation or the government program that it was started as under the Department of Civilian Marksmanship.

Instituted in 1903, The intent of the program originally was to train up a cadre of competent shooters who would be available for induction should the military need to mobilize. This program was run under the direct auspice of the US Army until 1996, when gun-hating President Bill Clinton (no doubt acting on instructions from Hillary), ordered the program shut down and the stock of surplus rifles and pistols destroyed, along with millions of rounds of ammunition. The program was saved from total devastation when some pro-gun members of the legislature authorized the creation of a privately-run, non-profit corporation which was to mirror the original program. This corporation, the Civilian Marksmanship Program, was then given all of the old DCM assets, including the remaining guns, ammunition, buildings, etc. They currently continue to run nationwide shooting programs and sponsor the National Matches at Camp Perry, Ohio every summer, which attract some of the best military and civilian shooters from around the world. The new CMP no longer receives government funding but relies on the sale of the rifles and ammunition that have been turned over to it, mostly surplus World War Two Garands, Carbines, and even some Springfields, Enfields and Krags. It no longer sells pistols, which is a shame, and thanks to Clinton, hundreds of thousands of historic and very valuable WW2-production Model 1911 .45 Automatics were ground up and melted down.

The CMP has always made guns and ammo available at very reasonable prices to shooters who compete in matches through various clubs or run youth programs designed to teach the next generation to shoot, but unfortunately it's become a victim of it's own success and the guns and ammo too frequently wind up being purchased by unscrupulous speculators who aim to resell them at a profit instead of use them for their intended purpose--competition. Even worse, a growing number of anti-government whack jobs and militia fruits are buying the ammo, along with countless hoarders who just want to amass stockpiles of cheap ammunition which no doubt plays a role in their post-apocalyptic fantasies. The CMP is touted on many nutbar websites as a source of cheap ammo and I suspect that more ammunition these days goes out to non-competitors than it does to the legitimate intended recipients, those of us who have supported the CMP and shot in the sanctioned matches for years.

Now the CMP could do one of two things to stop this sort of thing. They could either institute some restrictions on who could purchase the items, limiting sales to actual shooters who show documented proof of competition or current military/law-enforcement membership, or they can raise their once fabulously-low prices closer to the market rates in order to discourage the profiteers. The first choice is the one that I and many other serious shooters prefer, and it would also require a means by which profiteers who buy the guns and ammo and immediately resell it at gun shows or via the internet be reported and barred from future purchases.

The second thing that the CMP could do--and has done--is raise it's prices to reflect market rates, cutting off the profit to unscrupulous resellers and hopefully discouraging at least some of the whack jobs who are no longer willing to give "the government" a list of how much ammo and how many guns they've bought. This is what's now going on, and incredibly, there's now mass bitching about the latest price increases on gun websites like 1919a4.com, AR15.com, Falfiles, and other sites infested with anti-government losers, fat Walter-Mitty types and other assorted losers with out-of-context quotes from our founding fathers on their sig lines; people who have and will never shoot competitively or serve this country via military or civilian service time. In effect, my cost--and that of the other legitimate competitors--has been driven up by the same people who now sit back and whine that our program which graciously (and I hold mistakenly) sells them guns and ammo is now requiring all of us to pay a higher price.

Sorry losers, but the only ones who have and right to object are those of us who actually participate in the CMP program and shoot the matches or teach the junior courses. If you've never bothered to support the CMP with your time and labor or done anything more than just scoop up bargains that the rest of us have allowed you to obtain via OUR work, you've got no business complaining about anything that you get from it. So all of you crybabies on the gun forums, unless you're an active CMP shooter, you need to shut the hell up and go buy your ammo at Wal-Mart, leaving us legitimate competitors and our finite stock of rifles and ammo alone.

8 comments:

  1. "The new CMP no longer receives government funding but relies on the sale of the rifles and ammunition that have been turned over to it."

    Alright, well we'll just take our money elsewhere and see where that leaves the CMP.

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  2. Please do, Jon. That just means that those of us who actually participate in the program will have ammo available for a much longer time. I shoot CMP matches through two different clubs and I'd much rather see the ammo kept for the fine people that I shoot with and other real competitors across this great country than sold cheap to a bunch of hoarders, profiteers, and nut-bars salivating over the idea of a revolution someday.

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  3. Anonymous1:43 PM

    Let's see a copy of your DD214, or by your own logic, you have no right to bitch as you have not participated in the protection of your own free speech. Roger that?

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  4. For starters, the military doesn't safeguard "free speech" or any other Constitutional right. Our courts do that.

    That said, if I thought that I had anything at all to prove to you, I'd confidently put my record of service up against yours any time. I know what I've done for this country over the years.

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  5. Anonymous11:25 PM

    So you are pissed because it's costing you more to feed your machine gun.

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  6. Reading is fundamental. Had you tried it before posting, you'd have seen in a subsequent post here that my MG uses the cheap belted surplus ammo that I bought in bulk when it was plentiful, or reloads. I have tons of both and frankly, the Browning doesn't get to the range but once or twice a year so it's dedicated ammo supply will last a long time.

    The CMP rounds that I buy are used for M1, M1903 and M1917 shooting only, just as it was intended to be. Sorry, Charlie, but just because you think that CMP exists solely to provide you with cheap ammo to hoard or resell, that doesn't mean that us real CMP event shooters agree with you.

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  7. Anonymous5:02 PM

    I too shoot CMP matches but I also love putting 1000's of rounds down range thru the brownings. CMP is the best source in town for the ammo, bare none. Once it is gone, then we all will just have to pay market value. Otherwords why should one class of folks have any entitlements or subsidized ammo vs others? Anyone can shoot the CMP matches, so anyone should be able to buy ammo.

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  8. Yes, Sam, Anyone CAN shoot the CMP matches. However most people who want the CMP's ammo choose not to--they just want the ammo. And as the CMP exists to train shooters and sponsor the CMP matches, the ammunition should in my opinion be reserved primarily for the people who DO shoot in the CMP matches and otherwise actually participate in the CMP instead of just leeching off of it.

    As I've suggested in the subsequent post on this, the bulk of the ammo should be set aside for low-cost sale to those shooters who show documented proof of regular participation in the CMP's programs and any excess ammo can be sold to the general public at market rate prices, subject to reasonable limits on quantity. There's no reason why non-participants need more than a case or two a year, IMHO. Not as long as we have clubs, individual Hi-Power rifle shooters and huge events like the Creedmore Matches and the National Matches that require this ammo.

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